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One feature is missing

In one of the generic Spaced Repetition Learning programs I used earlier – either Supermemo or Mnemosyne – you could mark a card as hard even if you remembered it correctly. I would like to have this as an option in Duolingo as well. I believe that in other programs, you were expected to grade your answers from 3 difficulty levels, or perhaps it was 5? In Duolingo, I would be satisfied if there was just a small button off to the side with some symbol on it. The dumbbells are already used for the training section, so perhaps a weight or some such, or a “steep angle” traffic sign? Anyway, it should be an option to press this to signal that you would like to have this exercise repeated earlier than the rest.

The button should not be active if the on-screen exercise contains a new word or your first meeting with a new grammatical feature. These are prioritized automatically, I believe, so pressing the button might give the usual feedback (perhaps a small sound) but not be counted. But if you get an exercise with only familiar words and you still struggle and only get it right because you lucked out to pick the correct answer out of the two or three you were thinking of, then this button would be very useful. It would allow you to repeat the exercise during training sessions without losing a heart.

Today, the only way to mark a sentence for repetition is to deliberately get it wrong. For us paying customers who have unlimited hearts, this is a viable strategy (since we have unlimited hearts), but it just feels wrong so I pretty much never use it.

Hopefully, Duolingo notices whenever we use the hints feature (which I love, by the way). But sometimes there are no hints, but the exercise can still be so hard that I only got it right by sheer luck. And there is no way I can tell Duolingo that. But there ought to be. We should not need to keep a text file where we write down the hard phrases and practice them manually. It breaks the immersion and the playfulness of the learning game.

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Dumbbells in Android: It almost feels like cheating

I ran into a rough patch in my Finnish course. As a paying subscriber, I have unlimited “hearts” so I could have just moved ahead, but it seemed like a bad idea. Some people complain about the “hearts” system, and I did not really miss it when it went away back in the days, but then they put it back with 5 hearts instead of 3, and now I love it. If I make that many errors, I must be moving too fast. I agree with Duolingo on that, and I don’t want to buy my way out of that. I am not here to finish the course but to learn.

On the Android phone app, I could not do anything with the hearts except wait, and repeating old lessons only gave me 5 XP per bubble. But on the website there were still dumbbells (training weights) that I remembered from earlier in the game. Choosing this would let you repeat topics Duolingo thought you might be on the verge of forgetting, and clearing them would give you 10 XP and restore 1 lost heart. So while it gave less XP than moving forward right away, it gave acceptable XP and fulfilled a useful function.

But then one day there were dumbbells on my Android app too! And not only that, but when I tried them, I found that they gave 20 XP! That is a lot of XP for basically doing 10 exercises from the previous two topics. If I had double XP for clearing a topic or one of their daily “happy hour” events, I could get 40 XP for each, and could easily rack up 80 or even 100 XP before the double XP ran out. So yeah, it feels a bit like cheating. Doing this took me to number 2 in the Obsidian league this week, on Saturday. So on Sunday, I waited with my daily exercises till after the league was finished. I got number 6, so I just barely escaped going into the Diamond league, the highest one. I really feel that should be reserved for serious students, and not for someone exploiting an app feature.

OK, it is not technically cheating. The previous two topics are typically in need of practice, and harder than the early lessons that I would sometimes randomly get on the website when using dumbbells. Not only have I repeated the early lessons so many times already, but the lessons get exponentially harder the further you come. And by that I mean that you not only learn rarer (and usually longer) words, but at the same time you learn new and more alien grammatical features. I wish they had stuck with one of those things per topic, like teaching us the new words first and the new grammar next.

Since I have a paid account, I can’t easily see the remaining hearts, so I am not sure if the dumbbells restore hearts on the app too. I suspect not, because I get notification hours later that my hearts are full again. So that is one thing I would like to see different. Another is that I think 15 XP would be more fitting (same as for ordinary lessons) or even 10 like on the website. That way I would not be tempted to stop moving forward at all and just float on the listening exercises.

Duolingo is constantly adding and removing features, often doing so only for some of their users in order to compare and see which approach causes the most progress and least quitters. So maybe it will be gone soon. Or maybe it will be nerfed (toned down) to a less cheat-like level. I think the latter would be best. But it does make me practice more. I am getting pretty good at the previous two lessons now. ^_^;

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The competition heats up!? League’s ahead!

I am still not a fan of the recent changes to Duolingo, but it certainly looks like others are: The competition in the Obsidian League is off the charts, certainly compared to before.

Duolingo groups its users in leagues depending on how active we are. You start in the Bronze league, and if you have more XP than most, you can advance to silver by the end of the week. If you have less than the others, you are demoted.  Next week you can advance to gold, and so on to sapphire, ruby, emerald, amethyst, pearl, obsidian, and finally diamond. Within each league, you compete in a group of 30 almost-random users: Those who happen to complete their first lesson of the week around the same time as yourself. This should in theory be random, but… If you start early on Monday morning, you are probably a competitive player and will compete with others of the same type. If you wait till late in the evening, you will probably compete with more casual players who still care about their daily streak, but perhaps not much more.

Well, I used to hang out in the Obsidian League for a long time under the old system, but dumped down in Pearl around the time they switched to the winding path system. (I can’t recall if this was related or just a coincidence.) This week I came back to Obsidian, and wow, the competition is insane. Back in the day, I could comfortably stay in Obsidian by doing two exercises a day. Some days I only needed to do one. Now? This week, the lowest user that is not in the demotion zone has 617 XP. It will probably be more before the league closes in the evening. So 90 points per day are the bare minimum and may not be enough to stay. That would be 6 (error-free) regular exercises, although you can get double XP for 15 minutes by doing your training at specific times of the day or after completing a full bubble. But if you are just trying to learn and not gaming the system, 6 exercises a day is the norm here, and it is not even the highest league!

I guess I must have entered really early in the morning this week, but still. This is intense. I was in this league for months and never saw anything remotely like this. This morning, I am currently number 22 (24-30 are demoted) but unless I keep playing for a while, I will almost certainly be booted from the league by this hardcore crowd.

Luckily Duolingo.com, the website, still has the dumbbells (training exercises) that give 10 XP per session for exercises the AI picks for you. It is less than the 15 XP you get for progressing down the winding path, but more than the 5 XP you get for repeating earlier topics of your own choice. It also restores a lost “heart” for each session. As a paying member, I get unlimited hearts instead of getting put on pause if I lose five hearts, but I generally see hearts as a good mechanic, telling the student that he or she is progressing too far, too fast, and should repeat older stuff instead. However, the training feature is missing on my Android phone. So if you get locked out for too many mistakes, try the website instead, and use the dumbbells (while they still exist, I guess) to improve your skills and gain more XP. I mean, we are probably here to learn languages, but it is kind of a game too, so why not play it?

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